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Guns Magazine 2006 Combat Annual pg.94 Remington M24A2 with sound suppressor, Aramid Stock, monster scope (looks to 50mm obj) with huge sunshade AND and attached Surefire light (one of the larger ones M600?) with pressure tape switch mounted just in front of the bolt handle. This isn't the first time I've seen this. Surefire's most recent magazine has several pictures of rifles similarly set up. Enlighten me ARFCOM...otherwise I'll attribute this kind of thing to Asshat writers. BTW: I know better than to buy this kind of drivel...I'm sticking to S.W.A.T solely from now on. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives." -- Abba Eban

 

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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 1/10/2006 5:57:02 PM EST Last Edited :: 1/10/2006 6:09:18 PM EST by rob78 fossil_fuel Team Member Joined :: November 2005 Post Number :: 373 NY, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- might be useful if the rifle had a bayonet also -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 1/10/2006 5:58:20 PM EST buckfever34 Team Member Joined :: July 2004 Post Number :: 1496 IN, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have a light mounted on one of my long range setups.............I use it to shoot coyotes in the dark of the night. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 37% of statistics are made up... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 1/10/2006 5:58:57 PM EST Cypher214 Team Member Always Forgotten Joined :: March 2001 Post Number :: 6247 MS, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- $$$$$$$ It's SureFire trying to sell lights. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Then me and the wife are rainbow-flag-waving, muff-diving/butt-pounding flamers! " - Greywolf2112 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 1/10/2006 6:00:04 PM EST Bama-Shooter Team Member You do your thing. I'll do mine. Joined :: April 2004 Post Number :: 11661 USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why not? If it's your primary weapon put a light on it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- American by chance, Southern by the grace of God. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 1/10/2006 6:01:17 PM EST FLAL1A Team Member Joined :: November 2002 Post Number :: 10756 FL, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snipers - real snipers - frequently operate in total darkness at ranges under 4m. A surefire is very useful for precision riflery at those distances. Don't ask me how I know. I could go to prison if I answered. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Psychopolitician 003 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 1/10/2006 6:07:55 PM EST Tomislav Team Member Malleus Haereticorum Joined :: March 2002 Post Number :: 3017 MI, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By FLAL1A: Don't ask me how I know. I could go to prison if I answered. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cowboy up and take a prison sentence for the team! How do you know? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 1/10/2006 6:10:06 PM EST Paul Site Staff It happened. Never forget! Joined :: November 2000 Post Number :: 23718 CA, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Too funny. I've been noticing the same thing for years. Lately the fad has been the tactical rifle with x10 scope and a vertical pistol grip. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Celebrating the Second Amendment One Fine Firearm at a Time, Under God -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 1/10/2006 6:10:29 PM EST rob78 Team Member Dremel Warrior Joined :: March 2005 Post Number :: 1350 TN, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By FLAL1A: Snipers - real snipers - frequently operate in total darkness at ranges under 4m. A surefire is very useful for precision riflery at those distances. Don't ask me how I know. I could go to prison if I answered. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've read a few anecdotes regarding Carlos Hathcock's kills...some as close as 10 ft I'm no sniper, but wouldn't illumination (especially 125+lumens) immediately disclose your position? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives." -- Abba Eban -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 1/10/2006 6:11:31 PM EST Cypher214 Team Member Always Forgotten Joined :: March 2001 Post Number :: 6248 MS, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By rob78: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By FLAL1A: Snipers - real snipers - frequently operate in total darkness at ranges under 4m. A surefire is very useful for precision riflery at those distances. Don't ask me how I know. I could go to prison if I answered. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've read a few anecdotes regarding Carlos Hathcock's kills...some as close as 10 ft I'm no sniper, but wouldn't illumination (especially 125+lumens) immediately disclose your position? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Um... yes. It makes a nice target for return fire. The purpose of an extremely bright light in CQB is to not only identify your target, but to blind your opponent and make it harder for him to return fire. If you extend the range to 50 meters or more, the blinding effect goes away and you have just made yourself a target. The only method that works well at this distance is to use the light momentarily, move, shoot, use the light, move, shoot, etc. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Then me and the wife are rainbow-flag-waving, muff-diving/butt-pounding flamers! " - Greywolf2112 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 1/10/2006 6:15:24 PM EST rob78 Team Member Dremel Warrior Joined :: March 2005 Post Number :: 1351 TN, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- so I guess the general consensus here is that the combination is pure asshattery and should be banned? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives." -- Abba Eban -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 1/10/2006 6:19:20 PM EST Cypher214 Team Member Always Forgotten Joined :: March 2001 Post Number :: 6250 MS, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By rob78: so I guess the general consensus here is that the combination is pure asshattery and should be banned? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If a long range rifle is going to be used at night, it needs a night vision scope, not a flashlight. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Then me and the wife are rainbow-flag-waving, muff-diving/butt-pounding flamers! " - Greywolf2112 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 1/10/2006 6:20:43 PM EST rob78 Team Member Dremel Warrior Joined :: March 2005 Post Number :: 1352 TN, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By Cypher214: $$$$$$$ It's SureFire trying to sell lights. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- lol...obviously. in their mag "Combat Tactics" there are some rifles pictured with as many as 3 monster flashlights, an IR illuminator, red laser. got to be at least 20 pounds of cowbell on some of those rifles. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives." -- Abba Eban -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 1/10/2006 6:21:04 PM EST slash-5 Team Member Your tale, sir, would cure deafness. Joined :: February 2002 Post Number :: 2340 AZ, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By rob78: so I guess the general consensus here is that the combination is pure asshattery and should be banned? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yep. It is only allowed on the Airsoft boards. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "He who goes unarmed in paradise had better be sure that is where he is." ~ James Thurber -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 1/10/2006 6:21:24 PM EST STLRN Team Member Joined :: February 2001 Post Number :: 4170 USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Some units use the IR illuminator mounted to their sniper rifles because the base of the round will reflect the IR light, making an erstaz IR tracer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 1/10/2006 6:23:00 PM EST Cypher214 Team Member Always Forgotten Joined :: March 2001 Post Number :: 6251 MS, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By STLRN: Some units use the IR illuminator mounted to their sniper rifles because the base of the round will reflect the IR light, making an erstaz IR tracer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd like to see that in person, I bet that is cool as hell. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Then me and the wife are rainbow-flag-waving, muff-diving/butt-pounding flamers! " - Greywolf2112 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 1/10/2006 6:24:16 PM EST rob78 Team Member Dremel Warrior Joined :: March 2005 Post Number :: 1353 TN, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I need to write FMG publications and G&A for a full refund. pure misrepresentation... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives." -- Abba Eban -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 1/10/2006 6:24:20 PM EST Tomislav Team Member Malleus Haereticorum Joined :: March 2002 Post Number :: 3018 MI, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By rob78: I need to write FMG publications and G&A for a full refund. pure misrepresentation... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't get your MARPAT panties twisted in a knot over it. I am sure police sharpshooters could make good use of illumination. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 1/10/2006 6:35:26 PM EST USGI_45 Member Joined :: March 2005 Post Number :: 1694 MI, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By STLRN: Some units use the IR illuminator mounted to their sniper rifles because the base of the round will reflect the IR light, making an erstaz IR tracer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How does that work with the recoil of the rifle, plus the trajectory of the bullet, Plus being a human and not being perfectly still. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 1/10/2006 6:57:33 PM EST STLRN Team Member Joined :: February 2001 Post Number :: 4174 USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By USGI_45: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By STLRN: Some units use the IR illuminator mounted to their sniper rifles because the base of the round will reflect the IR light, making an erstaz IR tracer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How does that work with the recoil of the rifle, plus the trajectory of the bullet, Plus being a human and not being perfectly still. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's not an IR Laser it is an illuminator, so it has a pretty large area of coverage. Your are talking yards as range increases. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 1/10/2006 7:00:15 PM EST FLAL1A Team Member Joined :: November 2002 Post Number :: 10758 FL, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By USGI_45: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By STLRN: Some units use the IR illuminator mounted to their sniper rifles because the base of the round will reflect the IR light, making an erstaz IR tracer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How does that work with the recoil of the rifle, plus the trajectory of the bullet, Plus being a human and not being perfectly still. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you're "human" (your word, not mine), maybe you aren't real sniper material, Nancy. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Psychopolitician 003 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 1/10/2006 7:09:57 PM EST FLAL1A Team Member Joined :: November 2002 Post Number :: 10759 FL, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By rob78: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By FLAL1A: Snipers - real snipers - frequently operate in total darkness at ranges under 4m. A surefire is very useful for precision riflery at those distances. Don't ask me how I know. I could go to prison if I answered. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've read a few anecdotes regarding Carlos Hathcock's kills...some as close as 10 ft -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- See, that's the thing. We read about the "Glamor Boys" with their 1200 yard kills and such, but that's child's play. The real work - the stuff you never hear about - happens where a MOA is less than a micron. That's where men do their sniping. A guy I know did 2 tours in 'Nam with a Winchester Model 70 in .308 with a longitudinally mounted 300 power microscope and a 6-cell coon lamp duct taped to the barrel. It wasnt easy work, but it had to be done. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Psychopolitician 003 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 1/10/2006 7:12:53 PM EST Last Edited :: 1/10/2006 7:15:41 PM EST by FLAL1A modog Member Joined :: November 2003 Post Number :: 1256 USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lots o' bullshit in this thread. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 1/10/2006 7:17:13 PM EST LonePathfinder Member Joined :: June 2005 Post Number :: 1439 MS, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Likely used to hunt at night, not to kill haji's at night. Is it legal to hunt by spot light at night? I've heard about it often enough. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 1/10/2006 7:20:30 PM EST wes15a2 Member Joined :: March 2003 Post Number :: 593 PA, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By STLRN: Some units use the IR illuminator mounted to their sniper rifles because the base of the round will reflect the IR light, making an erstaz IR tracer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would not want to be using an IR illuminator if the enemy is equipped with even rudimentary NV, like the Draganov 'scope being used by the BG's over in Iraq. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 1/10/2006 7:26:26 PM EST FortyFiveAutomatic Team Member Conveniently located adjacent to Alabama Joined :: September 2004 Post Number :: 2460 TX, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By FLAL1A: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By rob78: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By FLAL1A: Snipers - real snipers - frequently operate in total darkness at ranges under 4m. A surefire is very useful for precision riflery at those distances. Don't ask me how I know. I could go to prison if I answered. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've read a few anecdotes regarding Carlos Hathcock's kills...some as close as 10 ft -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- See, that's the thing. We read about the "Glamor Boys" with their 1200 yard kills and such, but that's child's play. The real work - the stuff you never hear about - happens where a MOA is less than a micron. That's where men do their sniping. A guy I know did 2 tours in 'Nam with a Winchester Model 70 in .308 with a longitudinally mounted 300 power microscope and a 6-cell coon lamp duct taped to the barrel. It wasnt easy work, but it had to be done. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LOL This has been a topic of discussion for me a few times in the past. I didn't have much faith in Guns and Ammo to begin with, but after reading SureFire Combat Tactics, I'll never buy their stupid rag again. The Scott Reitz article about "urban sniping" is what really got my goat. He seemed to have a high opinion of himself and his methods, most of which involve lashing giant SureFire lamps onto precision rifles with 90mph tape and paracord, because according to the article, only newbies actually use M1913 rails to do that. I have heard a lot of people contrarily tell me, "No way, Scott Reitz is a REAL professional." Maybe he was, but I'll not be taking classes with that dumbshit any day soon. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I should not walk so a child may live..." -Master Shake

 

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